Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004
Subject: BRO. JAMES IN SALT
LIKE CITY [04/03/04]
BROTHER JAMES WHITE IS IN SALT LAKE
DOING WHAT HE DOES BEST -- REFUTING MORMONS [04/03/04]
notice on Brother James White's website that
he is now in Mormon country, where he often goes to take on the disciples of
Smith and Young.
Friday night the debate
on the issue of temples with a Mormon representative at the University of Utah,
Saturday night a debate on homosexual marriage, same
This is the type of thing for which James is
best suited and qualified, and for which we have come to admire and encourage
his work. His work in refuting Russellism, Mormonism, Romanism, and King James
Onlyism is worthwhile and admirable, and we sell his books on these matters in
Unfortunately, when James thought he should engage in a
polemical refutation of issues relating to Arminianism and Calvinism, he came up
short. His efforts to refute Geisler and Hunt, though valid to some degree, are
on the whole an embarrassment to Calvinists. The very fact that he lets Dave
Hunt get away with successfully appropriating Spurgeon, a Calvinist, in
opposition to the view of Brother James on regeneration-before-faith is just one
example of the weakness of James' position.
And although James
constantly calls for the proper exegesis of Scripture, some of the very passages
he uses in the vain attempt to sustain his view are in reality a deathknell to
his theory of a "pre-faith regeneration."
For instance, take
First John 5:1:
"Whosoever believeth that
Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that
begat loveth him also that is begotten of him." -- King James
"Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is
born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well."
-- New International Version.
According to James, this verse sustains his
theory that regeneration precedes faith, that one is born again before
he believes in Christ.
How in the name of common sense (or any other
sense) could James ever arrive at the exegetical conclusion?
The fact is,
this verse would be sufficient by itself alone to debunk the views of BOTH
Dave Hunt and James White in a three-man debate on Regeneration.
HUNT is refuted by the fact that this verse eliminates the idea that one can
have faith and still not yet be regenerated. It plainly says that the one
who believes in Christ IS born of God. Unless Hunt could show elsewhere in
Scripture that one who believes in Christ IS NOT born of God, this verse crushes
Dave's view to powder.
(2) JAMES is refuted by the fact that this verse
eliminates the idea that one can be regenerated and still not yet be a
believer in Christ. It plainly says that the one who believes in Christ IS
born of God. Unless James could show elsewhere in Scripture that one who is
regenerated IS NOT a believer, this verse crushes James' view to
For years I have used this passage in debates with Campbellites
to uphold the fact that one is born again before baptism. It coincides perfectly
with many other passages, such as John 3:18:
"He that believeth on him
is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he
hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."
don't think Dave can find a passage where a man has faith in Christ and is not
yet born again. I don't think James can find a passage where a man is born
of God and does not yet have faith in Christ. I think First John 5:1 grinds both
men's views to fine powder.
This verse also parallels 1 John 4:7 and 1
1 John 4:7:
"Beloved, let us love one another: for love is
of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God." [NIV:
"has been born"].
1 John 2:29:
"If ye know that he is righteous, ye
know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him." [NIV: "has
We simply can'f find a passage where one "loves" God and
"does righteousness" and yet he is not born again; nor can we find a passage
where one is born again and yet does not "love" God and does not do
The teaching of Scripture in John is clear: the one who
is born of God is the one who believes, loves, and does righteousness. The one
who believes, loves, and does righteousness (such as obeying the command to
believe on Christ) is born of God.
That leaves Dave Hunt in a ditch
on one side of the road, with faith but not born again. That leaves James White
in a ditch on the other side of the road, born again but not yet a believer.
There is just no way around it:
THE ONE WHO IS BORN OF GOD, HAS FAITH;
THE ONE WHO HAS FAITH, IS BORN OF GOD. We don't have the one without the other.
Faith in Christ may be said to be "of the essence" of the new
birth -- the new birth does not exist without it. When the Holy Spirit blesses
the Gospel to the creation of faith, this is what constitutes the NEW
As Brother James suggested on his website that I "go back to
doing what I do well" (publish Spurgeon's works), I suggest to James that he go
back to -- and stick with -- what he does best, refuting JWS, Mormons,
Romanists, King James Onlyites, etc.
Calvinists do not need any further
embarrassing efforts to defend their views.
-- Bob L. Ross
"If I am to preach faith in Christ to a man who is
regenerated, then the man, being regenerated, is saved already, and it is an
unnecessary and ridiculous thing for me to preach Christ to him, and bid him to
believe in order to be saved when he is saved already, being regenerate" (C. H.
Warrant of Faith, #531, page 532).
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